Kerry Campaign and NASA

coffeediver · Post by **coffeediver** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:47 pm

http://www.nasawatch.com/archives/000292.html

Historically, space exploration has not been a hot topic in the Presidential champaigns, but I find this very interesting.

With less than 2 weeks to go, I plead with all of you that are old enough to vote (and are Americas) to do so well informed. Don't let MTV, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News, or any other media outlet decide your vote for you. Do some homework, look at the facts, and make an informed and educated decision. Your emotions shouldn't dictate who gets into office, your logic should.

CastAway · Post by **CastAway** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:39 pm

Wait... I'm confused... so what's the Kerry Campaign's position? This is talking about some person I've never heard of... and I can't even find the current position (in all the flip-floppiness, to what side are they flopped right now?)...

Mdanner423 · Post by **Mdanner423** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:58 pm

ah ha ha ha, the gop is so good at making things stick in your head, your living proof their tactics work. you hear kerry and thanks to them you think flipflopper. I love the idea of "flip flopping" a person who is able to admit and learn from mistakes to make better decisions, is a great thing! Why make the same mistakes over and over, if you get new information and revise your position i think thats a good thing.

tennisrox014 · Post by **tennisrox014** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:03 pm

because i dont want a president who changes his mind every 5 minutes

Space Nerd · Post by **Space Nerd** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:04 pm

I have to agree on this one. Theres a difference between chaging your mind because you want to correct something and changing your mind becuase its what you need to do to get votes.

SamM · Post by **SamM** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:32 pm

yeah i agree

Who · Post by **Who** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:46 am

The Bush plan clearly shows he has a plan and vision (Good ole Von Braun's original plan) to get NASA back on track to where they need to be going. Let commerical space flight take over going around in circles, NASA needs to get us to the Moon and Mars.

Burt Rutan on NASA

tennisrox014 · Post by **tennisrox014** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:46 pm

YES! BUSHY WON!

.: Pj :. · Post by **.: Pj :.** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:05 pm

I'm not going to respond ...

May God be with us

Drumrollz · Post by **Drumrollz** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:41 am

Who wrote:The Bush plan clearly shows he has a plan and vision (Good ole Von Braun's original plan) to get NASA back on track to where they need to be going. Let commerical space flight take over going around in circles, NASA needs to get us to the Moon and Mars.

Burt Rutan on NASA

To be fair, there is also a Bush plan for Education, The No Child Left Behind act, which is not only under-funded, but pushes test-based learning into public schools, which is the least effective way to teach a class, especially to elementary and middle schoolers, where hands-on learning has been proven to provide the largest postitive educational result.

Need I describe his other plans?
Medicare? Please.
Terrorism? Hah.
Economy? Pfff.
Payoffs in government contracts to closely associated connections to the Administration? Bingo.

/flame.

spacecampaddict28 · Post by **spacecampaddict28** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:12 am

CastAway · Post by **CastAway** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 4:47 pm

Bush may have a plan for NASA, but I voted for Kerry... yeah, too bad because he lost Georgia... the only place my vote counts because the system sucks (note that even though Bush won the popular too, I still think the system sucks...).

Space Nerd · Post by **Space Nerd** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:58 pm

IF there is anything i learned from being a first time voter it is that even after elections people wont stop arguing.

meg · Post by **meg** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:15 am

oooh. no child left behind. dont get me started.

Space Nerd · Post by **Space Nerd** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:29 am

Yeah. You know i once missed a quiz bowl question becuase of no child left behind.

Who · Post by **Who** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:45 pm

Drumrollz wrote: To be fair, there is also a Bush plan for Education, The No Child Left Behind act, which is not only under-funded, but pushes test-based learning into public schools, which is the least effective way to teach a class, especially to elementary and middle schoolers, where hands-on learning has been proven to provide the largest postitive educational result.

No Child Left Behind is not "test based learning", but a policy that forces schools/teachers to be accountable for their students learning. What schools had started to do is pass failing students to stay in their social group rather then in their educational level.

Now, with no child left behind, there is a standardize test that is enforced. The teacher can still teach however they want to get across the material for that test, but the students still need to pass the test to move on.

I have an appriecation for the system being a instructor at a local college here in HSV. I get students all the time, "I have to DO homework??" "What? I did some of the work, why dont I have an A?" "Your a bad teacher because YOU didnt let me slip by when I didnt do crap" All great examples of people that made their way into my class by being left behind and wanting a free ride into a great paying job.

I have to be accountable for my teaching and relaying of the information. I test first day of class, midterm and finals. This is not only a test for the students, but a test for MYSELF on how Im doing my job. Nobody moves on to higher level courses and gets that instructor behind playing catch up. Im glad my college has a system of excellence.

Im glad that President Bush has adopted that system of excellence for our public school system.

But until the system gets worked out -- go or send your children to private school.

meg · Post by **meg** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:25 pm

i am a product of one of bush's public schools who had to endure the taas (texas academic something skills) test. it was horrible. i speak from experience. if you were above 50% grade-wise, you were sent to mini lessons. i sat through nutrition classes, military history classes and numerous others that didnt even pertain to fourth grade learning. they in no way taught me things i needed to know for the future and didnt have an effect on my academic comprehension. it was a place to go so they could work with the kids they know wouldnt pass. we took monthly tests to weed out the "smart ones" and force them into these mini lessons. when i was in class and not taking tests, i was given enormous amounts of worksheets to complete, all on the same topic. from my opinion (and im speaking from a viewpoint of someone who knows firsthand, not just from hearsay) bush's education plan sucks.

spacecampaddict28 · Post by **spacecampaddict28** » Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:48 pm

I too am a victim of TAAS testing. I dont even want to talk about it.